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If you are like our typical listener, you adore making art. Maybe you don‘t have much time, maybe perfectionism gets in the way... we get it. We‘ve been there too. That‘s why we created this podcast. To help people just like you to overcome those hurdles and dive into painting so you can create art you love and experience the hidden benefits too.
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Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
028 What on Earth is an Artist Bio, Artist CV and Artist Statement?
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
In this episode, Laura and Ros cover the topic of artist documents. We chat about artist CVs, artist statements and artist bios and discuss WHY we need them; the difference between them and what to include in each of them. Laura has even made you a workbook on this topic, so scroll on down and download that bad boy ASAP!
Whilst not all artists will feel confident in their writing ability, these documents play a key role when applying for an art prize or gallery show or creating a press release, a website or even just a marketing flyer. Written information about yourself and your practice is key to growing your profile.
Artist Bio - A short description about yourself and who you are as an artist. It includes what inspires you and a little bit about your practice. Keep this concise. It is a brief profile of you. Do not go into detail on your education, prizes etc. Keep it short and snappy.
Artist CV - This is like a resume, specific to your arts career. It includes exhibitions, publications, educational background. It is a comprehensive document that you use when applying for grants and funding, galleries, large exhibitions etc.
Artist Statement - This document compliments pieces of your art, usually in the context of an exhibition or gallery application. In this statement, you can go into more depth about your inspiration and also your location if relevant. It is a sales tool and helps to give context to your artwork and invites a deeper connection with your work. An artist statement helps others to read into your artworks and the elements, themes, ideas, processes, techniques and so forth.
GET THE FREE WORKBOOK HERE >>> Resources — laura jane day
We hope that you enjoy the show!
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This episode is sponsored by:
Ros’ Facebook community for heart-centred creative women - Permission To Paint Free Community. If you like to make art, no matter your level or medium, we’d love to welcome you! Join here now >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/permissiontopaintfreecommunity
EPISODE LINKS:
Download the workbook here >>> https://laurajaneday.com/resources
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
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And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ Art For The Heart membership as well as her instant access classes please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ artwork please visit http://www.rosgervayart.com
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Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
027 Interview With Ange Miller And Building Confidence As An Artist
Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
We are back with another interview episode! Today we are talking to the inspiring and amazing Ange Miller.
We ask her about her journey into art and she recounts how she always loved making things and how art became a sacred space for her. She describes art as being an anchor for her soul in her younger years.
While studying she recounts how she struggled with performance anxiety. Ange felt like there was no place for her, she describes the many challenges she experienced after graduation entering into a really dark place. She was invited by her previous Tutor - Andy Collis to assist in the classroom and within a year she was taking a class of her own and making up lesson plans.
In the episode we ask her about “art school wounding” Ange gets fired up on this topic describing it as a broader “Education Wound” starting in primary school: and how students are not validated or recognised for what is uniquely inside of them.
Ange states that the key to overcoming this wound is - Confidence - and becoming the author of our own life. She shares that - each of us has a unique message and by getting back in touch to the deepest part of ourselves we can access this. Ange says that Creativity is the foundation to life and it is energising when we find authentic flow.
Ange also shares some valuable insights into:
- Learning to let go
- Fostering a long term love affair with your art
- How energy is often underestimated in the painting process
- Her unique Commission process
- The Instagram treadmill
- How articulating your story “sells the art”
To find out more about Ange’s Abstract Refinery course go to: https://www.angemillerart.com/creativity-coaching
We hope that you enjoy the Show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by: Laura’s Creative Kick-Start Coaching Sessions. For aspiring artists who are seeking clarity and direction in their Art Biz - To find out more go to: https://laurajaneday.com/creative-coaching
Ros’ Art For The Heart Membership for creatives wanting to create regularly and dive deeper into their art journey. For more info, head here: http://www.permissiontopaint.co/afh
EPISODE LINKS:
Ange Millers Website: https://www.angemillerart.com/
Ange Miller on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/angemillerart
Andy Collis: https://www.instagram.com/andy.collis
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And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership as well as in-person painting workshops and other offerings please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervaycreative.com
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Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
026 How and Why to Enter Art Prizes and Playing the Long Game
Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
In conversation with Laura, Ros unpacks art prizes, why to consider it and what is involved in the entry process. She shares her journey to date and how a single art prize and her finalist position opened up opportunities.
Laura shares that art prizes are a chance to learn and grow, reflect, learn who you are as an artist and gain clarity around what you want to communicate to the world through your work. Art prizes provide artists with direction, something to work towards, a goal, something to share on socials, community and they help to add structure to your year.
There is more to art prizes than winning.
Ros and Laura chat about the mindset element of the art prize entry process and share how common it is to feel rejection and disappointment when unsuccessful in an art prize application. We suggest that you listen to Episode 12 where we interview curator Philippa Demase and discuss how curators choose work for prizes. Hint: There is more to it than just you and your work.
Laura and Ros suggest that you spend some time researching art prizes and find appropriate matches for your art, reminding you that you are looking for a prize that is a good fit for YOU as an artist. DO NOT CHANGE YOUR ART to suit an art prize.
There is so much in this episode so definitely take a listen and get the free download via the link below.
We hope that you enjoy the Show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by:
Ros’ Art For The Heart Membership for creatives wanting to create regularly and dive deeper into their art journey. For more info, head here: http://www.permissiontopaint.co/afh
EPISODE LINKS:
Art Prize Guide download: https://www.permissiontopaint.co/how-to-enter-art-prizes
FIND US AND FOLLOW US ONLINE!
Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership as well as in-person painting workshops and other offerings please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervaycreative.com
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Wednesday Oct 26, 2022
025 Interview With Susan Nethercote And How To Expand And Grow As An Artist
Wednesday Oct 26, 2022
Wednesday Oct 26, 2022
This fortnight, Laura and Ros are bringing you another interview episode with Ballarat based artist Susan Nethercote. If you haven't heard of Suse before, she is an abstract botanical painter, she has found success in many aspects in her art career and she is an all round lovely person.
Laura has known Suse for many years from working in her studio and also featuring in Susans’ Podcast - The Studio Insider Podcast. Suse coached Laura through the process of getting ready for her very first Solo Exhibition, if you haven't had a listen, go and check it out! Link below.
In the interview Suse shares about:
- How she started off in the Fashion Design industry in Melbourne
- That her painting journey started not long after having kids
- Making art took on powerful healing journey healing past traumas
- The first art sales come from sharing with friends and family on social media
- The many twists turns and evolutions that her art business has taken her on
- Her new exhibition and her first solo show
- She also discusses times and seasons in art business
- Her experience with burn out, anxiety and insomnia
- Diagnosis and treatment for adhd
The Exhibition details are:
Date: November 5th - 27th 2022
Venue: The Old Butcher’s Shop Gallery
112 Seymour Street
Soldiers Hill, Ballarat
Open times: 1-5pm Saturdays, Sundays and by appointment during the week.
Opening Celebration Saturday 5th November from 4pm - 6pm
Suse also mentions a live Podcast recording event that she has planned in the Gallery on the 19th of November. Go and follow Susan on her socials to keep updated!
We hope that you enjoy the show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by The Paint Rest Repeat First Birthday Party! Come and celebrate with us in Melbourne on Saturday 12th November.
Get your free ticket here: https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/paint-rest-repeat-podcast-meet-up-tickets-434643258687
EPISODE LINKS:
Susan on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/susan.nethercote/
Sasans’ Websites:
https://www.susannethercotestudio.com/
https://www.susannethercote.com/
Studio Insider Podcast Episode 1: https://www.susannethercotestudio.com/podcast/susan-nethercote/e1
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership Art For The Heart and courses please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervayart.com
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Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
024 How To Make Progress In Your Art Business - Part 2
Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
We’re continuing the conversation this week on how to make progress in your art business.
Ros and Laura talk about the importance of playing the long game no matter your persona. They chat about the fact that good things take time, no matter how hard that pill is to swallow. Ros shares her experience with approaching dreams with high energy and being reminded that sustainability and balance are essential to long term success in art business.
Ros says “It's really important to set your goals, to know what you want, to allow yourself to dream, make plans to get of closer to those dreams but it is OK for your growth to be a little bit slower than your heart desires it to be so that you can maintain that growth and continue growing your art business in a steady way that is sustainable.”
Laura raises the topic of perfectionism and points out its dark side and how it can hold you back from success. The “all or nothing” approach, “perfect or not at all” can really wreak havoc and stop our dreams from taking shape.
Laura suggests casting perfectionism and comparison aside and “really tuning into that gut feeling and that intuition. Setting goals around not what you feel like you should be doing to be a successful creative business owner but instead thinking about what sort of lifestyle I want and then identifying actions that can move towards that aligned goal.”
Ros and Laura touch on many other topics in this chat:
- Feelings Based Goals
- Outcome Based Goals
- Importance of structure and systems in art business
- How to deal with resistance and procrastination
- Why we follow joy
Get your FREE goal setting workbook here: https://laurajaneday.com/shop-/p/art-biz-goal-setting-guide
For more on this topic, tune in to Part 1 (Episode 23) where this conversation began.
We hope that you enjoy the show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by The Paint Rest Repeat First Birthday Party! Come and celebrate with us in Melbourne on Saturday 12th November. Get your free ticket here: https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/paint-rest-repeat-podcast-meet-up-tickets-434643258687
EPISODE LINKS:
Tash Corbin - https://tashcorbin.com/
Sarah McKenzie - https://www.instagram.com/sarah.mckenzie.art/
FIND US AND FOLLOW US ONLINE!
Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership Art For The Heart and courses please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervayart.com
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Wednesday Sep 28, 2022
023 How To Make Progress In Your Art Business - Part 1
Wednesday Sep 28, 2022
Wednesday Sep 28, 2022
Ros and Laura are back for another episode this fortnight and are talking about how to make progress in your art biz!
They discuss what that might look like, as every artist is different. Each individual will have different visions for their future and they may have different values and goals that all play a part in what you choose to focus on. Both Ros and Laura share how they have made progress in their art businesses over the years and share some tips for those who are possibly at the hobby level artist wanting to take their art into a more serious endeavour.
Ros shares that it has been through a whole lot of trial and error and Laura wholeheartedly agrees with this, its part of business and life. In this episode they also cover feelings of self doubt that come up when running a business.
Laura discusses holding a clear picture of what your goal is and taking aligned action. Suggesting some ways to do this by tapping into your intuition, personal introspection and visualisation.
Ros and Laura share some helpful tips such as:
- Being open to learning
- Visualising your dream business
- Not getting too caught up in other people's successes
- Quiet the noise and tap into your own ideas and vision
- Becoming more consistent in showing up for yourself
- Being open to new opportunities
- Finding accountability buddies to check in with
Laura discusses the concept of becoming 1% better every day which is from the Atomic Habits book by James Clear - link below. Ros also touches on topics around consistency and scheduling for artists in business.
We felt there was so much more to say on this topic, we have split it up into a two part series. So tune in next fortnight to keep the conversation going.
We hope that you enjoy the show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by: Laura’s Creative Kick-Start Coaching Sessions. For aspiring artists who are seeking clarity and direction in their Art Biz - To find out more go to: https://laurajaneday.com/creative-coaching
EPISODE LINKS:
Atomic Habits - James Clear - https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits
Julie - Plan Your Market - https://www.instagram.com/planyourmarket/
Sarah McKenzie - https://www.instagram.com/sarah.mckenzie.art/
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership Art For The Heart as well as in-person painting workshops and other offerings please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervaycreative.com
Please help us grow our Podcast by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Here is how!
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Wednesday Sep 14, 2022
Wednesday Sep 14, 2022
This fortnight, Laura and Ros chat with money mindset coach Sarah Falkinder and explore the complex relationship between artists and money.
Based in Ballarat NSW Australia, Sarah is an expert in all things finance and is passionate about helping others to master money so that they can create their best life. Think empowerment, purpose and simplification!
Together we deep dive into the topic, investigating a range of blocks and unhelpful scripts that hold many artists back from financial success like:
- They don’t call them starving artists for nothing.
- I’m not good at managing money.
- I’m not responsible enough with money.
- Art is a financially risky career choice
- I’m no good at numbers.
We also chat about ways of overcoming those roadblocks and hurdles from analysing your history, your values and your money archetype. Sarah offers a free archetype survey which you can check out via the link below. Sarah talks about the importance of this holistic approach and this alignment in helping artists to achieve the right goals in an aligned way.
Sarah shares some seriously epic golden nuggets in this episode. Be sure to listen to the end where Sarah shares how knowing the money archetypes of your loved ones can improve life and relationships.
We hope that you enjoy the Show!
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Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by:
Ros’ Facebook community for heart-centred creative women - Permission To Paint Free Community. If you like to make art, no matter your level or medium, we’d love to welcome you! Join here now >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/permissiontopaintfreecommunity
EPISODE LINKS:
Sarah Falkinder website https://www.sarahfalkinder.com.au/
Sarah Falkinder Instagram https://www.instagram.com/sarahfalkinder/
Expense Tool and Money Archetype Quiz https://www.sarahfalkinder.com.au/resources
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership as well as instant access courses and other offerings please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervayart.com
Please help us grow our Podcast by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Here is how!
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Wednesday Aug 31, 2022
021 Ideas To Help You Make More Money From Your Art
Wednesday Aug 31, 2022
Wednesday Aug 31, 2022
This fortnight, Ros and Laura are back together and bringing you a conversation about how to make money from your art and generate more money as a creative person. This episode covers different income stream options for creative people. Laura and Ros discuss what they have done over time in their businesses to earn more money from their art practice.
Laura shares that one of her main streams of income to support her practice has been sharing her skills through teaching. By doing this she was able to use the money generated from classes to re-invest back into the creative projects that she was passionate about pursuing.
In terms of selling her art she identifies that it took focused intention to work towards an exhibition to sell her paintings. She had to work through money blocks to get to the point of making the kind of money that she wanted to make from selling her paintings. Laura shares that lots of journaling and intention setting helped her to do this.
Laura and Ros share a common money block - “it’s hard to make money as an artist” that they, and many other artists have struggled with. Ros shares about making the jump into her own art biz and the motivation to do that came from her being deeply un-fulfilled in her job. She could see that she had so much more to give, and her skills were being undervalued. She had no desire to go back, so she “had” to make money from her art, she does this through varied income streams.
Ros also mentions Elizabeth Gilbert’s book - Big Magic - and a concept that is outlayed in the book about not putting too much pressure on your art. She says to make sure you have a job or income to your practice to relieve the pressure on solely making money from your art. It can be through a side-hustle, a day job or ideally something related to the creative industry.
Some of the various income stream options for artists discussed in this episode are:
- Teaching - group and 1:1 mentoring
- Online Membership
- Commissions
- Instagram Sales of original arts or prints
- Open Studio event with art for sale
- Original Art - selling independently or through retails or galleries
- Exhibitions - solo
- Group Shows
- Art Prints
- Wholesale - art prints or products
- Making products - cards, t-shirts, tea-towels etc.
- Local Markets or bigger design markets
- Projects with local council or local organisations
- Applying for art grants
If you have any others to add to this list please let us know. Hopefully this gives you an idea on the varied ways that you can generate more income as a creative practitioner!
We hope that you enjoy the show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
This episode is sponsored by: Laura’s Soul Medicine Painting Workshops for more info please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/workwithme to find out more!
EPISODE LINKS:
Big Magic - Elizabeth Gilbert - https://www.elizabethgilbert.com/books/big-magic/
OGO T-shirt and product drop shipping: https://ogo.com.au/
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership Art For The Heart as well as in-person painting workshops and other offerings please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervaycreative.com
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Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
020 Interview With Artist Steph Wallace and How To Take Risks As An Artist
Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
This fortnight, Laura takes the reins and brings you an interview with the inspirational artist Steph Wallace who talks about her career to date and her latest workshop offerings.
Steph chats about her creativity as a child, her fine arts degree experience and her journey between then and now. Having explored all the mediums from paper cutting to textile art, Steph discusses the importance of not getting too locked into a medium. Laura and Steph chat about the idea that artists do not need to niche as hard as the industry suggests, that constant evolution is OK and that having a supportive community is the secret ingredient to living a rewarding and authentic life as an artist and creative.
Based on her personal experience, Steph shares that her support network (online and in person) has helped her to turn her many ideas into change and progress. Her hot tip is to be open to where you community members may come from - they may be people who comment on your social media post or some whose podcast you listen to. They could even be a stranger who you randomly meet at a gallery in Ballarat.
Steph has done all the things! She has run an art gallery; taught art classes overseas; mastered small business via her tiny furniture biz and; is now incredibly excited to be running ceramics workshops for women who are ready to carve out some time for themselves.
Having experienced firsthand the benefits of creative practice for mothers and the power of art making when it comes to mental wellness, Steph runs her workshops from the heart. She also offers some advice for others wanting to run their own art workshops.
We hope that you enjoy the show!
Please send us a DM on Instagram to tell us how you found this episode and let us know if you have any ideas for future topics for the show.
And tune in on YouTube to join us in the studio: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpuYek-mvHJ7efz-KSR77xQ
This episode is sponsored by: Ros’ Art For The Heart Membership for creatives wanting to create regularly and dive deeper into their art journey. For more info, head here: http://www.permissiontopaint.co/afh
EPISODE LINKS:
www.instagram.com/steph.wallace.art
https://www.eventbrite.com.au/o/steph-wallace-15200175598
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Follow Laura on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurajaneday/
Follow Ros on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ros.gervay.creative/ and https://www.instagram.com/rosgervayart
And to book a creative kick-start coaching session with Laura or to find out more about her Soul Medicine Painting workshops please visit: https://laurajaneday.com/
For more information about Ros’ membership and courses, please visit https://www.permissiontopaint.co or to see Ros’ paintings please visit http://www.rosgervaycreative.com
Please help us grow our Podcast by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Here is how!
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Wednesday Aug 03, 2022
019 How To Value Yourself As An Artist
Wednesday Aug 03, 2022
Wednesday Aug 03, 2022
This fortnight we bring you a powerful topic - How to VALUE yourself as an artist. This topic links into a previous episode on - Why is it so hard to call yourself an artist which was episode 17. Link Below. So for this episode we are assuming that listeners are at the point of using the “artist” label, and are now wanting to work on their value.
Laura mentions that when she made the “decision” to run her own art business – that allowed herself to give permission to buying art supplies, carving out time for art and all the lifestyle elements that come with being an artist – catching up with creative friends – is considered networking. Laura proposes that the feelings of “guilt” might surface when creatives and makers are at the hobby level and are not yet at the business level.
Ros talks mentions that if you are having fun or enjoying your work it might not be “seen” as valuable. Which she says is BS by the way!! She states that the key part of valuing yourself as an artist is having a community and connections with other artists and peers.
Laura brings up how artists can sometimes feel like they are being taken advantage of when they are asked to work for free for exposure. Because the arts in general are undervalued because of societal norms. Laura mentions that mindset work can help in valuing yourself and valuing your time when undertaking creative projects and it is possible to get paid really well for something that you enjoy.Ros talks about the recent project that she is working on with her local council where she has been asked to paint a piano. The contact person is amazing because from the outset they proposed that they will pay her as an artist ethically. She pointed Ros in the direction to NAVA , a Professional membership and advocacy agency for Artists in Australia.
Ros reiterates the value of Art buddies or friends in small business to run things by in terms of being paid well. Laura mentions that if you undertake a project and you are not being paid well you will end up resentful of the project, and if you are not being valued by the customer or the organisation that has asked you to undertake the project then it is not worth doing.
Laura suggests a quick exercise to figure out your base hourly rate? and feeling into what feels good to you. Ros talks about how she prices her work and she said she looks inward to see what “feels good” and is a fair price for everybody. Laura talks about what you sign up for when you step into professional practice as an artist – inconsistent income, gig-based economy, you are also signing up for people wanting you to work for free, and on the opposite side people that really value what you do as well. Ros mentions that you are signing up for those emotions on the rollercoaster ride of being an artist.
Ros was so excited to be approached for the opportunity from her local council to paint the piano because she loves music as well. Ros talks about all of the emotions that surfaced in undertaking this process but she was aware that it all comes as a part of the journey and once it was complete she was really happy with the outcome. She mentions that if you accept that the rollercoaster of emotions is a part of the process it will see you in good stead.
Ros talks about how it takes persistence to be an artist and mentions the saying that “Art is a career for stubborn people” and going from a different career to full time art you come up against people that don’t value the arts or don’t value small business. There will be people who consider your career choice as a “risk”. Ros talks about when she moved away from primary teaching her Mum not wanting her to give up that position “just in case” because it was “safe” career.
Ros asks Laura if she had anyone in her life who had those beliefs and Laura shared about how her family has always wanted her to have a “sensible and stable job”. Ros says her strategy is to ignore the nay-sayers.
Laura shares about how she had inner conflict with herself going through art school and then feeling like she never fit into the regular 9-5 workplace but since she has found out more about herself and how she operates and works best in the world the clear it has become that being an artists suits her because she can set her own schedule, she can say yes and no to different projects and she can manage her energy levels better. It doesn't matter what other people say – if this is the right path for you - just dedicate yourself to it.
Ros talks about forging a career in the arts is a big personal journey. When Ros started to take her art seriously, she mentions it was like a “coming home” - which is a really beautiful way of seeing her practice.
We had a lovely Podcast review from Sarah McKenzie @sarah.mckenzie.art on Instagram.
“Thanks again for a great Podcast, can relate to to much of what you are saying. Look forward to being more intentional with goals and direction which is easy to go off on whims and tangents, which can be fine but not always aligned with your bigger picture” - Thankyou for the kind words Sarah!
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Episode 17 - Why is it so hard to call yourself an artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLo3bbJo1-4&t=22s
Episode 18 - on Goal Setting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JazyaJiLhg&t=2s
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